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Τξπσμ Dragonlance _ Γΰππθ Οξςςεπ _ Ξλσυ. Οσηϋπό. Ξρςΰςξκ. Σλξβκΰ. - ?

ΐβςξπ: Βξλψεανθκ 20-01-2008, 8:05

Β οεπβξι κνθγε (Γ. Ο. θ τθλξρξτρκθι κΰμενό) Δΰμαλδξπ ρκΰηΰλ, κξγδΰ οξ�βλ�λθρό αλώδΰ: "Ξλσυ. Οσηϋπό. Ξρςΰςξκ. Σλξβκΰ." Αϋςό μξζες, ύςξ μΰγθχερκθε ρλξβΰ θλθ...θμενΰ δξμξβϋυ ύλότξβ, κξςξπϋε ύςθ αλώωδΰ γξςξβθλθ? Νε ηνΰώ...

ΐβςξπ: NightHawk 20-01-2008, 16:52

Μξζες οπξρςξ υξςελ οπθκξλξςόρ�.

ΐβςξπ: Crazy cat 21-01-2008, 0:01

Νσ δλ� νΰχΰλΰ ςε, κςξ χθςΰλ β ξπθγθνΰλε οσρςό βροξμνθς, κΰκ ύςξ οπξθηνξρθςρ� νΰ ΰνγλθιρκξμ, βξημξζνξ, χςξ ςξγδΰ θ μξζνξ ασδες οξν�ςό ρεκπες. Υξς�, ΰ ρεκπες λθ νΰ ρΰμξμ δελε?
Μΰδΰμ Πξσλθνγ, ςξ λθ ηΰαϋλΰ ξα ύςθυ ρλξβΰυ, ςξ λθ ξνθ δειρςβθςελόνξ νθχεγξ νε ηνΰχΰς θ � ρκλξν�ώρό αξλόψε κξ βςξπξμσ βΰπθΰνςσ. Βροξμνθμ ξ ςξμ, χςξ Δΰμαλδξπ αϋλ αξλόψθμ χσδΰκξμ, ςΰκ οξχεμσ αϋ εμσ βξς ςΰκ οξ-ρςπΰννξμσ θ νε οξψσςθςό, κΰκ πΰη δλ� ςξγξ, χςξαϋ βρε ξρςΰλόνϋε δσμΰλθ, χςξ ξν υξςελ ύςθμ ρκΰηΰςό. Θλθ μξζνξ οπεδοξλξζθςό, χςξ ύςξ αϋλξ κΰκξε νθασδό ηΰκλθνΰνθε εγξ ρξαρςβεννξγξ ρξχθνενθ�, ΰ δλ� χεγξ θμεννξ... ξο�ςό ζε ηδερό αεησδεπζνϋι οξλες δλ� τΰνςΰηθθ

ΐβςξπ: Ρκξττεπ 21-01-2008, 10:12

ΘΜΥΞ, ύςξ αΰνΰλόνϋι κΰλΰμασπ. Ερλθ βροξμνθςό βρώ τπΰησ, ςξ ξνΰ ηβσχΰλΰ οπθμεπνξ ςΰκ: "ΐ ςεοεπό � υξχσ ρκΰηΰςό νερκξλόκξ ρλξβ. Βξς ξνθ." ΐ δΰλόψε θ αϋλξ ρκΰηΰνξ θμεννξ νερκξλόκξ ρλξβ )) Ψσςκΰ ώμξπΰ.

ΐβςξπ: ΐλυθμθκ 5-02-2008, 8:15

Ερςό εωε ςΰκξι βΰπθΰνς - Δΰμαλδξπ ρξςξβΰπθωθ ηνΰλθ, χςξ �εμνϋι Λξπδ ασδες ξυξςθςόρ� ηΰ Οξςςεπξμ, θ οπεδοξλΰγΰλξρό, χςξ Γΰππθ οξοΰδες β Ρλθηεπθν, χςξαϋ Ρεβεπσρ ηΰ νθμ "οπθρμΰςπθβΰλ".
Νξ Γΰππθ σαεδθλ Ψλ�οσ ξςοπΰβθςό εγξ β Γπθττθνδξπ θ οπεοξδξβΰςελθ αϋλθ νερκξλόκξ ξψελξμλενϋ ςΰκθμ οξβξπξςξμ.
ΐ Δΰμαλδξπ σροξκξθλ θυ θ βρε ξαϊ�ρνθλ, ρκΰηΰβ νερκξλόκξ ρλξβ νΰ ρεκπεςνξμ �ηϋκε Ξπδενΰ Τενθκρΰ.
ΘΛΘ
ςξ ζε ρΰμξε, χςξ θ β νΰχΰλε, νξ βρμερςξ ρεκπεςνξγξ �ηϋκΰ Δΰμαλδξπ νΰλξζθλ νΰ βρευ (κπξμε οπεοξδΰβΰςελει) ηΰκλθνΰνθε, θ οπεοξδξβΰςελθ ρλϋψΰλθ χςξ-ςξ ρεπόεηνξε, χςξ Δΰμαλδξπ υξςελ θμ ρξξαωθςό, ΰ ρςσδενςϋ σρλϋψΰλθ ύςξς απεδ.
P.S. νε μξ� γθοξςεηΰ, οπξρςξ σρλϋψΰλ. Νξ θμεες μερςξ αϋςό.

ΐβςξπ: Λΰρςξχκΰ 6-02-2008, 23:07

Ρκλξν�ώρό κ βεπρθθ ρ χσδΰχερςβξμ Δΰμαλδξπΰ. Νσ νε μξγλθ ύςθ αερρβ�ηνϋε ρλξβΰ χςξ-ςξ ηνΰχθςό..

ΐβςξπ: �ενεβξι δπΰκξν 11-02-2008, 19:46

Ηνΰχθλθ ξνθ χςξ-ςξ θλθ νες, Δΰμαλδξπ νΰμ σζε νε ρκΰζες. Νξ πΰη σζ Πξσλθνγ νε σοξμ�νσλΰ βρκξληό νθ ξ κΰκξμ ςΰκξμ ψθτπε, μξζνξ ρχθςΰςό, χςξ χσδΰχερςβξ Δΰμαλδξπΰ ςΰκ θ ξρςΰλξρό χσδΰχερςβξμ αεηξ βρ�κθυ δβξινϋυ ρμϋρλξβ
Crazy Cat, ΰ νε ρκΰζεψό, κΰκ ξν ύςξ οξ-ΰνγλθιρκθ ρκΰηΰλ?

ΐβςξπ: Crazy cat 11-02-2008, 23:10

Φθςΰςΰ

Crazy Cat, ΰ νε ρκΰζεψό, κΰκ ξν ύςξ οξ-ΰνγλθιρκθ ρκΰηΰλ?

Νεΰ, νε ρκΰζσ. ί νε νΰρςξλόκξ ρθλόνΰ β ΰνγλθιρκξμ, χςξαϋ χθςΰςό β ξπθγθνΰλε. ΓΟ χθςΰλΰ β δβσυ πΰηνϋυ οεπεβξδΰυ, οπθχεμ β ξδνξμ τπΰηΰ ηβσχΰλΰ ςΰκ "�ώς�! Πεβΰ! Πβΰκλ�! Φΰο!", ΰ β δπσγξμ "Ξλσυ! Οσηϋπό! Ξρςΰςξκ! Σλξβκΰ!". Κΰκ ύςξ ηβσχθς β ξπθγθνΰλε νε ηνΰώ, νξ μνε κΰζεςρ�, χςξ ςξζε οπξρςξ νΰαξπ νθχεγξ νε ηνΰχΰωθυ ρλξβ. Ερλθ αϋ ύςθ ρλξβΰ χςξ ςξ ηνΰχθλθ, ςξ Πξσλθνγ αϋ ξαϊ�ρνθλΰ ύςξ λθαξ β κνθγΰυ, λθαξ β ξδνξμ θη θνςεπβόώ.

ΐβςξπ: Ancalime 12-02-2008, 10:34

ί μξγσ ρκΰηΰςό:
"And here they are: Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!" =)
Οξ-μξεμσ, βρε ςΰζε αερρμϋρλθφΰ - ερλθ Πξ θ ολΰνθπξβΰλΰ χςξ-ςξ ύδΰκξε ςΰμ ηΰψθτπξβΰςό, ςξ δξλζνξ αϋςό αλΰγξοξλσχνξ ξα ύςξμ ηΰαϋλΰ=)

ΐβςξπ: Scorpion ZS 256 14-02-2008, 2:08

Ρΰμθ οεπεβεδεςε...

Φθςΰςΰ

“Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!” Four Words for “Other”

A friend over at the Barnes and Noble Book Club I’m moderating this month wrote a longish post about the Four Houses, their Four Elements equivalents, and their probable spiritual qualities. I do enjoy thinking about Ravenclaw (Air), Hufflepuff (Earth), Gryffindor (Fire), and Slytherin (Water) along these lines, if I would have never come up with what Oriflamme did. More recently I have been tracking the choleric, phlegmatic, sanguine, and melancholic humors/temperaments in the various characters. Fun stuff.

Most interesting to me is how Ms. Rowling has used these traditionalist conceptions of character and physics to make postmodern points — and has done so from the first book of the series.

I am thinking about Dumbledore’s four word speech to the Four Houses after the sorting in Philosopher’s Stone. He says, “Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!” and sits down. This talk made enough of an impression on Harry (and Ms. Rowling thought it important enough) that he recalls these words during the eulogy at the Headmaster’s funeral in Prince.

The context of his talk is the Sorting of the ickle firsties into their respective houses. However off-the-wall, Albus seems to be making an important point about the divisions that have just been made and the identities these students are about to take on. In short, each of the four words is a “put-down” that one house would use to describe the “other” (anyone not part of their new house).

“Nitwit:” Ravenclaw is the house of witches and wizards of greater intelligence. As a rule, Rowena’s children will think of those not selected for membership in their select group as “nitwits” or dummies.

“Blubber:” Blubber, in contrast, is a word used on playgrounds in the English speaking world for “fat.” It is disparaging because children use it to be unkind to their peers who are heavier than the average kid and probably less athletic. Gryffindor, the jock or frat house, sees the “other” as less physically bold or courageous, for which condition, an eleven year-old would probably find “blubber” a handy signifier.

“Oddment:” This is a word from the world of sewing and fabrics. An oddment, if memory serves, is the remainder from the bolt of cloth, a remainder not large enough to be usable in making anything significant. Slytherins are lovers of “pure-blood” and, in this, “wholeness” or “integrity.” The “other” to a Slytherin is any witch or wizard born with insufficient purity, an insufficiency that makes them an oddment of less, even no value.

“Tweek:” Hufflepuff is the Hogwarts House for magical folk who were not smart, bold, or pure enough for the three Houses described above. From Malfoy’s comments in Madame Borkin’s in *Stone,” they seem to be the dustbin house, where the nobodies wind up. Cedric’s success in *Goblet* also suggests that glory is something of a stranger to Hufflepuff champions.

I have to doubt this is the Hufflepuff self-understanding. They look at the “other” and see “excess” or “imbalance” not “excellence” and “virtue” they lack. Hufflepuff witches and wizards are down-to-earth, humble (humilis), and real people. The “other” needs to be “tweeked” or adjusted to refine their excess and bring it to the mean, which as Aristotle teaches, is where virtue really lies.

The Headmaster doesn’t make a long speech about what a shame it is that they have been divided and will soon see themselves as better than their friends who have had the misfortune to be sorted into the “other” houses. As a good postmodern linguistics professor, he notes that the Sorting Hat is the vehicle of the metanarrative or Grand Myth that is the *real* evil of their world and throws out his comic marker for those capable of hearing what was not very well hidden in his short speech.

As Harry must act as Quintessence to the Four Houses and Four Magical Brethren and was destined to this role as “The Chosen One,” it is no accident that these words stayed with him. Here’s hoping he can make sense of this lesson in his Deathly Hallows efforts to unite the Magical World against Lord Voldemort.

http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=47

ΐβςξπ: �ενεβξι δπΰκξν 18-02-2008, 16:49

Υμμ.. ί, κξνεχνξ, οπεδοξλΰγΰλΰ, χςξ ύςθ χεςϋπε ρλξβΰ μξγσς αϋςό ρβ�ηΰνϋ ρ ξρξαεννξρς�μθ τΰκσλόςεςξβ, νξ νε οξδσμΰλΰ, χςξ Δΰμαλδξπ γξβξπθλ ξ θυ γλσοξι βπΰζδε. Ξυ, λώαθς ζε Πξσλθνγ ηΰγΰδϋβΰςό ηΰγΰδκθ %)

ΐβςξπ: Sergei the sage 19-02-2008, 11:57

Scorpion ZS 256
Βξξαωε-ςξ, ρ βΰψει ρςξπξνϋ ύςξ νε ξχενό κπΰρθβξ - οπθβερςθ δλθννσώ φθςΰςσ νΰ μεζδσνΰπξδνξμ �ηϋκε, β ςξ βπεμ�, κΰκ �ηϋκξμ τξπσμΰ �βλ�εςρ� μεζνΰφθξνΰλόνϋι.

Κπΰςκξε ρξδεπζΰνθε φθςΰςϋ
Δΰμαλδξπ οξοπξρθλ σχενθκξβ ςεποθμεε ξςνξρθςρ� κ νεδξρςΰςκΰμ ρβξθυ ςξβΰπθωει, ΰ θμεννξ:
"Αξςΰνθκξβ" θη Κξγςεβπΰνΰ νε ρχθςΰςό βρευ οπξχθυ "ξλσυΰμθ";
"Κΰχκξβ" θη Γπθττθνδξπΰ νε ρχθςΰςό βρευ οπξχθυ "πξυλ�μθ";
"ΐπθιφεβ" θη Ρλθηεπθνΰ νε ρχθςΰςό βρευ οπξχθυ "λθφΰμθ μΰγλξβρκξι νΰφθξνΰλόνξρςθ" ("οξλνϋμ ξςρςξεμ");
"Οπξρςϋυ οΰπνει" θη Οσττενδσ� νε ρχθςΰςό βρευ οπξχθυ "βξξαπΰζΰλΰμθ" (ςεμθ, κςξ νεβερςό χςξ θη ρεα� κξπχθς).

Νσ ΰ Γΰππθ, πΰησμεεςρ�, "ο�ςϋι ύλεμενς" : σμνϋι, ροξπςθβνϋι, χθρςξκπξβνϋι, νξ αεη ηΰκθδξνξβ οξ οξβξδσ ρξαρςβεννξι θρκλώχθςελόνξρςθ.

Μ-δΰ, ύςξ σζε σ νΰρ κΰκΰ�-ςξ "ΐλθρΰ" οξλσχΰεςρ�, ςξλόκξ εε ςξλκξβΰλθ λξγθχερκθε οξηθςθβθρςϋ, ΰ "Γΰππθ Οξςςεπΰ" - οξρςμξδεπνθρςϋ.

ΐβςξπ: WereWolfe 24-03-2008, 11:41

ροΰρθαξ ηΰ οεπεβξδ. Νΰμνξγξ �ρνεε!))νσ ερλθ Δΰμαλδξπ ςΰκθμθ ρλξβΰμθ ηΰψθτπξβΰλ νΰαξλεβψσώ ςεμσ Υξγβΰπςρΰ, ςξ δειρςβθςελόνξ Γ.Ο. ρςΰνξβθςρ� λξγθχερκξι γξλξβξλξμκξι!)))ΰ βεδό ύςξ δΰλεκξ νε βρε "ρςπΰννϋε" ρλξβΰ,οπξθηνερεννϋε δθπεκςξπξμ!

ΐβςξπ: Scorpion ZS 256 4-04-2008, 2:42

Φθςΰςΰ(Sergei the sage @ 19-02-2008, 11:57)

Χςξ, μεν� ςσς εωε θ ςϋκΰςό ασδσς?

Ρξβρεμ ξαΰλδελ... Βξ οεπβϋυ ρΰμϋι θνςεπνΰφθξνΰλόνϋι ύςξ ΰνγλθιρκθι, ΰ βξ βςξπϋυ ερλθ ςΰκξι σμνϋι, μξγ αϋ ρΰμ, αεη μξει οξμξωθ νΰιςθ ύςθ οπεδοξλξζενθ�... Χςξ-ςξ � ρξμνεβΰώρό, χςξ ςΰκξβΰ� οξοϋςκΰ αϋλΰ οπεδοπθν�ςΰ... Κπθςθκξβΰςό βρε οεπβϋε, ΰ ξρξαεννξ οξσχθςό, κΰκ μνε ρλεδσες οξρςσοΰςό, ηΰ ύςθμ βξξαωε ξχεπεδό βϋρςπξθςρ�...

ΐβςξπ: Guest 31-01-2017, 10:13

ί ρκλξν�ώρό κ βεπρθθ, χςξ ύςξ ψθτπ. Οξ νΰχΰλσ � δσμΰλΰ, χςξ ύςξ Δΰμαλδξπ οπξ τΰκσλόςεςϋ, νξ κξγδΰ οπξχθςΰλΰ δπσγθε ξςηϋβϋ, ςξ οξδσμΰλΰ, χςξ δΰ ύςξ κΰκξι-ςξ ψθτπ, οπθχΈμ βρε κπξμε Κβθπελλΰ θη οπεοξδΰβΰςελει αϋλθ β Ξπδενε Τενθκρΰ. �εμ ρΰμϋμ Δΰμαλδξπ βξημξζνξ δξγΰδϋβΰλρ�, χςξ ρ Κβθπελλξμ, χςξ-ςξ νε ςΰκ